Question:
is it safe to consume soy ??? I am so confused?
Hermosa
2007-10-08 14:31:34 UTC
is it safe to consume soy ??? I am so confused?
Eleven answers:
2007-10-08 14:51:19 UTC
i'm confused too, i'm fairly new to this vegan stuff and i too have heard some bad stuff about soy. I've heard that the way it's produced in the west differs from the way it is produced in the east and that, like dairy, it should be avoided like poison! I can't remember what it supposedly does, i think it brings about early degeneration of the brain, stuff like parkinsons and alzymers (spelling)... alledgedly any way...



To top it off how much can you trust food studies anyway, i mean because of the way the soy products are made here in the west, compairing them to the effects of soy on the populous in the east is usless, and think about the people initiating the research? The soy based companies like "silk" aren't going to release anything about soy being bad for people... and why would they when you can essentialy engineer research to have whatever outcome you want?!?!



I dunno, i doubt your going to get a solid answer one way or the other, not one that's backed up anyway. I do take some soy products but try to limit it. i have rice/oat milk instead of soy etc... and i take omega 3 suppliments (vegan) to hopefully offset any negative effect it mite have on the way my brain ages, or whatever it is soy is supposed to do to it...



sigh... good luck.
VeggieTart -- Let's Go Caps!
2007-10-08 17:08:32 UTC
In moderation, it's fine. Just make sure your soy is organic to avoid GMOs.



A lot of the studies saying soy is dangerous are put out by antisoy and antivegan organizations.
2007-10-08 19:27:02 UTC
I dont eat much of it and if i eat any it all it will be fermented, like in either tempeh or miso.



most of what comes in a carton of milk with 'soy' on the container is processed junk food. they extract the beans into a powder and make the powder into milk, using chemicals to emulate traditional processes and skipping certain processes that remove bad stuff from it.



most of the soy thats in food is much the same, its not a bean as an ingredient, its things like soy protein isolates, soy protein concentrates, hydrolyzed soy protein, partially hydrogenated soy oil, etc..



which are pretty much chemicals, they are that processed. chemicals arent food :/



lol krister, being one of the most populous nations doesnt necessarily mean they are healthy, it just means they make lots of babies :/



I also dont know where you got the belief that unfermented soy was used traditionally because i have never read a substantiated claim that it is. it has always been fermented to neutralize phytic acid (which blocks minerals like zinc and calcium), enzyme inhibitors (which block digestion) and goitrogens (which inhibit thyroid function).



even if it was traditionally used unfermented it doesnt mean its safe and we now know fermentation neutralizes the bad stuff.



and just like you said about the dairy industry downplaying soy, the soy industry is out there inflating thier own claims and selectively sponsoring research to put soy in a good light. i wouldnt trust either of them, becuase i doubt either of them has my health or diet goals in mind.



One of the other things that i instinctively dont like about soy and tofu is that its bland and colourless.



leafy green vegetables are vibrant and flavourful.



A lot of the time what gives food its nutritional content is what gives it its colour. beta-caretaniods in oranges and reds, chlorophyll in greens...



The bottom line is that there is nothing in soy that cannot be found in safer unproccessed plant based alternative.



Leafy greens are a better source of bioavailable calcium and iron (they add unnatural calcium to the milk anyway because soy doesnt have any :/ )



And legumes, nuts, seeds and grains are a much better protein source.



these things have been consumed whole for years and years and years and can be eaten raw and whole with no fear of side affects what so ever.



why take the risk? until some serious unbiased evidence comes forth to confirm it for good or bad im not taking the risk.
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2016-05-19 05:36:03 UTC
If I can just add my 20 year personal study; My kids are vegan and have had soy their whole lives. They are not sick never have been sick, the doctor on check ups told us to leave and never come back. This next bit comes from the link below, It is unlikely that you can "overdose" on estrogen by adding soy products to your diet. Soy is a good source of phytoestrogens, estrogen-like compounds from plants. Phytoestrogens are not estrogen; in some ways and in some tissues of the body, they act like estrogen (decreasing hot flashes and lowering total cholesterol, for example), but in other areas, they act the opposite way (in the breast, perhaps, which may lower risk of breast cancer).
2007-10-08 14:38:24 UTC
China has been consuming fermented AND unfermented soy for thousands of years and they are the most populous nation on the planet.



http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm



The meat and dairy industries make billions off of the use of animals for food. They HATE soy and are not afraid to use scare tactics against competitors and threats such as soy alternatives.
2007-10-08 19:11:31 UTC
Moderation is key.



I think about 100 grams of soy a day is fine...and actually very good for you.
vegan_geek
2007-10-08 15:50:18 UTC
as long as you're not allergic to it it should be fine, lots of people have soy allergies though...
sego lily
2007-10-08 14:37:25 UTC
soy on a daily basis suppresses the thyroid
cubcowboysgirl
2007-10-08 19:24:24 UTC
Hallelujah, can I get an Amen here?

confused about WHAT? it's good 4 U? Period.
chitrakg
2007-10-08 14:41:05 UTC
Everything is good if eaten in moderate levels.



http://www.fda.gov/Fdac/features/2000/300_soy.html
2007-10-12 12:51:11 UTC
THE DOWNSIDE OF SOYBEAN CONSUMPTION



by Beatrice Trum Hunter, who is one of America’s foremost food experts and an Honorary Member of NOHA. She is the Food Editor of Consumers’ Research Magazine and the author of many books on food issues, including Food Additives and Federal Policy: The Mirage of Safety; The Great Nutrition Robbery; and her classic Natural Foods Cookbook.



Soy consumption is being promoted vigorously. Despite many alleged benefits, there is a downside, which is being ignored.



The raw soybean contains numerous anti-nutrients. Although processing can reduce them, it does not eliminate them.1 The raw soybean is an anti-coagulant (an agent that prevents blood clotting). The anti-coagulant property is not reversed by vitamin K, which is a highly effective blood-clotting agent. Green leafy vegetables and liver are excellent sources of vitamin K. Many Americans are low in vitamin K. Soy’s anti-coagulant property is attributed to its anti-trypsin activity. Trypsin is a special enzyme needed to digest protein. In addition, trypsin allows vitamin B12 to be assimilated. Thus, by blocking trypsin activity, the soybean, as an anti-trypsin agent, increases the requirements for vitamin B12 and actually creates vitamin B12 deficiency.2



The raw soybean contains other anti-nutrients, including phytic acid (from phytates), which binds and prevents mineral absorption (especially zinc, calcium, and magnesium).3 Phytic acid is present in grains, too. Thus, vegetarians who depend on soybeans and many soy-containing products, as well as phytate-containing grains, are at even higher risk of deficiencies of these minerals.4 Phytates are present in plant foods but not in animal foods.



Hemagglutinins are also anti-nutrients in the raw soybean. These substances have an ability to agglutinate (clump together) the red blood cells in humans and in other animal species, and significantly suppress growth. These anti-nutrients are known also as "phytoagglutinins" or "lectins."5





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Thus, vegetarians who depend on soybeans and many soy-containing products, as well as phytate-containing grains, are at even higher risk of deficiencies of these minerals. . . . (especially zinc, calcium, and magnesium).





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These various anti-nutrients present in the raw soybean can be reduced somewhat by proper heat treatment or by sprouting. However, the substances will still be present, albeit at lower levels. The only satisfactory method known at present to deactivate these anti-nutrients is by use of traditional fermentation. This process involves a slow chemical change, triggered by bacteria, molds, and yeast. Fermentation deactivates the enzyme inhibitors, trypsin inhibitor, phytic acid, hemagglutinins, and vitamin antagonists present in raw soybeans. The fermentation process renders the nutrients in soybeans more available and digestible.



Unfortunately, the fermentation process is used with only a few soybean products, and ones that are not especially familiar in the American cuisine, nor readily available. The main fermented soybean products are tempeh (a soybean-based entree), miso (a soybean paste used in soups and sauces), and natto (fermented whole soybeans). Tempeh and miso are available in many health/natural food stores in the United States. Natto, common in Japan, is unfamiliar and unavailable to most Americans. Natto is reported to have a strong odor, a sticky texture, and generally is not favored by novices. Because miso is used merely as a flavoring, the sole fermented soybean food that is an acceptable dish is tempeh.



Contrary to popular notions, soybean products such as tofu and bean curd—familiar and available to Americans—are not fermented. Rather they are processed by precipitation. This method deactivates some but not all of the anti-enzyme agents, and deactivates only a little of the phytates.





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The only satisfactory method known at present to deactivate these anti-nutrients is by use of traditional fermentation. . . . Unfortunately, the fermentation process is used with only a few soybean products, and ones that are not especially familiar in the American cuisine, nor readily available.





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Soybeans, even processed ones, have anti-thyroid properties.6 The estrogenic isoflavones (particular plant pigments) in soy—genistein and daidzein—are much touted for their health benefits. What is unpublicized is that they are anti-thyroid agents. Individuals who consume soybean products habitually (the recommendation currently in vogue) may encounter long-range thyroid disturbances. Animal studies relate the isoflavones in soy to thyroid disorders, including goiter. Other studies relate soybean consumption not only to hypothyroidism, but also to low energy levels, poor mineral absorption, and infertility.7



Even at exceedingly low levels, hormones can exert profound biological effects, either beneficial or detrimental. The estrogenic isoflavones in soy are being promoted enthusiastically as health promoters. Although they appear to prevent breast cancer if supplied early, they may promote breast cancer at a later stage in life. Both human and animal studies suggest that soy may increase the risk of breast cancer.8,9,10,11



Frequently, studies are cited of the low breast cancer rate of Asian women who consume soy. However, confounding dietary factors must be considered. Asian women who forsake their traditional diets and embrace the Western diet increase their risk of breast cancer. Soy cannot be singled out as the sole factor.





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Both human and animal studies suggest that soy may increase the risk of breast cancer.





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How beneficial are soy products being offered to Americans? The anti-nutrients in modern soy products, including soy flour, can inhibit animal growth. In humans, they can cause intestinal problems, reduce protein digestion, and lead to chronic deficiencies in the uptake of amino acids.12,13



Soy contains a high amount of fatty acids, which turn rancid rapidly when the soybean is converted into soy flour. Full-fat soy flour is especially prone to such deterioration, and has a disagreeable taste that is difficult to mask. Rancid foods are toxic, and should be avoided.



Textured soy protein, an inexpensive filler, became popular at one time as a hamburger extender. Presently, it is used extensively in processed foods, despite the fact that it contains anti-nutrients.



Protein isolates from soy are used in powder mixes intended for meal-replacement drinks.14 These isolates are obtained by means of a high-temperature process that denatures the protein extensively. In its damaged form, the protein is rendered low in nutritional value. Soy protein (and other protein isolates) cause negative calcium balance in humans and other animals and can contribute to the development of osteoporosis. The soy protein isolates are still high in mineral-blocking phytates, thyroid-depressing phytoestrogens, and potent enzyme inhibitors.15 Also, the high heat used in processing the isolates has been reported to increase the likelihood of forming carcinogenic compounds.16,17





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Soy milk is not the equivalent of milk from humans (or from cows, goats, or sheep). . . . Soy can exert adverse effects on the hormonal development of infants.





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Soy "milk" is used as a cow’s milk replacer, and is marketed for the general population.18 Also, it is used as a substitute for cow’s milk in infant feeding formulas intended for babies who are allergic to cow’s milk. Soy milk is not the equivalent of milk from humans (or from cows, goats, or sheep). Soy milk has several undesirable features when used in infant feeding formulas.19 Soy can exert adverse effects on the hormonal development of infants.20,21,22 Soy milk formula is devoid of cholesterol, a vital substance for proper development of the brain and central nervous system in infants. A study of infants fed soy formula showed a concentration of estrogenic compounds as much as 22,000 times higher than those in human breast milk or in milk-based formula. This startling finding caused speculation in the New Zealand Medical Journal that such an overload of estrogen in infants might result in precocious development of breast and secondary sex characteristics in very young females. In addition, it raised concerns that such an overload might result in male organs not developing normally at puberty.23,24



Soybean oil is likely to be partially hydrogenated. This processing results in the formation of undesirable, unhealthy trans fatty acids in the oil, and in food products made with soybean oil. To date, the vital information about trans fatty acids is not included in the "Nutrition Facts" panel of food labels. Soybean oil, as well as other soybean fractions, also may be from genetically altered soybeans.



Frequently, the soybean has been touted as a "complete" protein from a plant-derived food. Although the soybean may have a better nutritional profile than other beans, still it is low in some essential amino acids. Thus, it is an unbalanced, incomplete source of protein. Only when beans, including soybeans, are supplemented with some complete and balanced protein from an animal-derived food, can the combination achieve the status of being a complete protein food, with all essential amino acids present, and in a good state of balance.





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The soybean lobby exerts powerful clout. In addition, food and beverage processors favor soybean use because it is a low-cost filler, extender, and replacer in foods for humans and in feed for animal. It is a cost cutter that swells profits.





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At present, soy is among the major food allergens in the American diet. Individuals of all ages have developed soy allergies, attributable to the proliferation of soy and soy constituents in many commercially formulated products. Since the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved a health claim for soy25, more than another thousand new soy-containing products are predicted to flood the marketplace, in addition to the existing plethora. Infants fed soy milk formulas in order to avoid cow’s milk allergy, frequently develop allergy to soy. As soy is promoted aggressively and is available in increasing numbers of food and beverage products, the numbers of soy-allergic individuals are likely to increase, from lifetime over-consumption.



It is difficult to avoid soy and soy constituents unless one chooses basic foods and avoids processed ones. Even then, some soy gets into the diet, indirectly, from soy constituents in the feed of farm animal and farmed fish (in aquaculture).



The soy health claim now permitted is based on 25 grams of soy protein daily, alleged to reduce the risk of heart disease.25 Such a daily overload of soy inevitably increases the risk for soy allergenicity. The FDA determined that diets with four daily servings of soy protein can reduce levels of low-density lipoproteins (LDLs). Four daily servings of soy protein will promote the risk of more allergenic reactions. Also, they replace high-quality protein foods that have no anti-nutrients, with low-quality protein foods that have many anti-nutrients. In addition, the recommendation narrows the food base and negates the sound principle of choosing from as wide a variety of foods as possible.



FDA’s approval of the health claim for soy protein was in response to a petition by a leading soy producer. The soybean lobby exerts powerful clout. In addition, food and beverage processors favor soybean use because it is a low-cost filler, extender, and replacer in foods for humans and in feed for animal. It is a cost cutter that swells profits.





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The FDA determined that diets with four daily servings of soy protein can reduce levels of low-density lipoproteins (LDLs). Four daily servings of soy protein will promote the risk of more allergenic reactions.





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In view of the overall evidence against soy, is the health claim justified? Previous health claims have been approved in response to commercial interests and similarly based on highly selective evidence. One critic, Tom Valentine, observed in True Health that "no other dietary staple has so many anti-nutrient drawbacks as soy. Conversely, no other food has so many public relations firms and lobbyists working for it."



Despite the present popularity of the soybean, it is being threatened by a rival—mycoprotein. Single cell proteins, derived from bacteria, yeast, or fungi, are inexpensive meat alternatives. Mycoprotein, approved in many other countries, has been under FDA scrutiny for years. Now, the agency appears poised to approve its use in food and feed. Like the soybean, mycoprotein is touted for its functional, nutritional, and chemical benefits. Its imminent approval may launch a new food revolution. It is truly a new food constituent and will transfer food from being grown on the land to being produced in the laboratory. The soybean may be toppled.


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